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Kung Fu vs MMA: the replies to your most asked questions

The questions we are going to see have been asked by you (from our Patreon Core Course):

Are there effective Kung Fu fighters in MMA?
Which is better, Kung Fu or MMA?
Which is better in a self-defense scenario: MMA or Kung Fu?
Can a Shaolin monk win against an MMA fighter in the cage?
Why are there so few Kung Fu fighters in MMA competitions?
Is Kung Fu effective in MMA competitions?

Note – This article has been asked by one of our Core Course practitioners on Patreon (see how to attend our home study classes here Learn Kung Fu online: a beginner-to-expert course).

Before continuing, a brief but necessary terminological clarification:

Kung Fu – In this context, we use this word in the meaning of “ensemble of combat styles” (read also Martial arts: all derive from Kung Fu? and All the styles and sub-styles of Kung Fu)
MMA – We use this term to refer to the “ensemble of combat methods” commonly used in the most famous sports competitions (like UFC, etc.)

A note by Master Kongling – Some of these questions may seem trivial to those with martial arts experience but given the number of requests we have received, we have understood that there is a lot of misinformation on the subject and therefore, we have decided to shed some light.

1. Are there effective Kung Fu fighters in MMA?

Yes, it is only a matter of looking behind the surface. For example:

Michelle Waterson
Bao Li Gao
Ian McCall
Shi Yanzi (a Shaolin monk, read Shi Yan Zi: real master)
Ao Hai Lin
Zhang Tie Quan
Yi Long (the famous self-taught “Shaolin warrior”)
Jason Delucia
Daniel Spohn
Liu Hailong
James Wilks
Peter Davis
Jumabieke Tuerxun
Yao Honggang
Vaughn Anderson
Roy Nelson
Nick Osipczak
Xing Xi
Luke Cummo
Chuck Liddell
Bazigit Atajev
Cung Le
Sami Berik
Ji Xian
Wang Guan
Muslim Salikhov
Felix Lee Mitchell
Dan Hardy
Pat Barry
Zhang Meixuan
Zhang Weili
Tony Ferguson
Zabit Magomedsharipov
Roy Nelson
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Naturally:

These are only examples – These are only famous medium and / or high-level athletes but as for every kind of sport / discipline there are also lower levels
Almost none of these will ever put themselves in martial arts movie-like positions – Only an expert can grasp the micro-differences in the setting
Almost all of them practice more than one martial art – In the case, for example, of UFC, it should be obvious that it is essential to adapt to implement more than one combat system (it is a Mixed Martial Arts competition and as it happened in ancient times, Kung Fu expanded with every clash with those who had different approaches, read The disadvantages of “traditional” Kung Fu)
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The adaptation

It is necessary to understand that in MMA sports competitions (UFC, etc.), there are rules to respect, contexts to adapt to, approaches that are more / less favorable (etc.) and all of this cannot be ignored, so:

The stances change
The mobility changes
The techniques change
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Does this mean canceling the presence of Kung Fu in a practitioner? – Absolutely no, this would be impossible. It is the Kung Fu itself that (as in its origins) adapted to the other systems of struggle up to the single opponent.

A note by Master Kongling – We have to learn to look deeper, the techniques are the dead, dry, old part of the Kung Fu tree, the real sap are the principles they hide.

A funny example to understand

Let’s take the example of skiing. A BJJ and a Muay Thai practitioner participate in a skiing competition:

Like everyone, they will forcibly have to move in a certain way and be subject to certain specificities
We will never see the first one rolling on the snow embracing the skis and the other proceeding on a single leg
They will ski like everyone else, they will alter their original preparation in favor of the type of challenges they have to face
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2. Which is better, Kung Fu or MMA?

This question is too generic (it lacks context) – It is like asking if apples or kitchens are better. They are 2 incredibly different things:

Kung Fu teaches through the art of fighting to embrace life, “MMA” (in the meaning we are referring to in this discussion) are a (fantastic) adaptation of many martial arts methods for a sports competition where wins who is tactically and physically stronger
Kung Fu teaches to be lethal but to avoid to apply uselessly its technical baggage, MMA’s first goal is to apply the combat techniques to win a (in a respectful and friendly) match (read The 6 types of martial clash)

Even only limiting ourselves to the fighting aspect, to reply to such a question, we need to know:

What type of combat? With rules or not?
Free-hand or with weapons?
Between who and who?
In what field?
With what goal?
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Depending on these details (apparently secondary to the novices), the answer changes and in some cases, it changes even the idea of Kung Fu or MMA.

For example:

A Kung Fu fight with protections and without lethal strikes, could it be truly called a “Kung Fu fight”? Can a Ferrari remain a Ferrari with engine weakeners?
In MMA, there are no weapons, what could an athlete (who has zero experience in their use) do against an expert swordsman? It would be like having a puma vs a tank fight, it would not be reasonable
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3. Which is better in a self-defense scenario: MMA or Kung Fu?

Both are totally out of range, read why in Best martial arts for self-defense.

Anyway, if we are instead talking about a “street fight” where we have to choose between life and death (read Personal defense: the S.A.F.E. method) and considering 2 people with the same preparation for the fight (read How to learn to fight: all the steps): we could have 2 answers.

Answer 1: theory

The answer should certainly be Kung Fu and the reasons are:

As we said, Kung Fu educates to the use of weapons, MMA no (for example, even only in Choy Li Fut style there are more than 50 different combat tools)
A big part of Kung Fu’s techniques have been primarily studied to kill in the shortest possible way / time, MMA ones’ can certainly arrive at this but only secondarily (and in symmetric contexts)
Kung Fu educates to the martial clash (read Self defense, martial clash and war clash), without rules, protections, limits of time, space, etc. (read What is the difference between real fights and combative sports?)
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Answer 2: practice

To be correct, it must be said that:

Real Kung Fu is not for everyone (read also 6 Dragons Kung Fu: what does it teach?)
On one side, the medium Kung Fu practitioner is (in most cases) extremely far from being ready to fight (no sparring, poor training, too much theoretical study, no conditioning, etc., read Is traditional Chinese Kung Fu practical for fighting?)
On the other side, the medium MMA fighter (most of the times), has an at least basic preparation for the tactical dynamics of a fight (through sparring, read Martial arts sparring [MINI-GUIDE]) and an athletically reactive body
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The fact is that when we talk about pure fighting, the difference always lies in how we train and not too much on the combat system.

Therefore, going from theory to reality: on average, the MMA practitioner is certainly more likely to prevail.

A note by Master Kongling – It is precisely for this reason that in 6 Dragons Kung Fu we stress so much the aspect related to serious and daily training: more practice, no jokes (read From white belt to black belt: your path). In other words: do you want to practice for well-being or self-discovery? You do not need to fight. Do you want to learn to fight? You have to fight.

4. Can a Shaolin monk win against an MMA fighter in the cage?

Most of today’s Shaolin monks (not necessarily all) would have no chance against a high-level MMA fighter.

A note by Master Kongling – Yi Long is not a recognized Shaolin Temple monk.

Let’s be clear, they are unreachable acrobatic athletes and experts of Chinese Kung Fu but the fight is no more their focus (their actual combat preparation, during the years, has diminished until almost disappear).

A note by Master Kongling – They are Pacific Warriors, you should visit the temple to understand what this really means (read Fighter VS warrior: the differences).

On the other side, some of the ancient Shaolin monks would have probably had no problems winning (read why in Ancient Shaolin monks vs modern ones).

A note by Master Kongling – This response may upset many readers but historically, there have been drastic changes at the Shaolin Temple during the last century (such as Grandmaster Jwing Ming explains, read Yang Jwing Ming: real master).

5. Why are there so few Kung Fu fighters in MMA competitions?

Again: why don’t we see Kung Fu in MMA? Let’s try to reply in another way.

It is like asking:

If MMA fighters are so good, why do we not see them in Sanshou competitions (Chinese boxing)? Because it is Sanshou and not MMA
If MMA fighters are so strong, why do we not see them in weight lifting competitions? Because it is weight lifting and not MMA
If they move so sinuously, why don’t we see Kung Fu fighters in the Caribbean dance exhibitions?
If dolphins are really that smart, why has no one of them ever been seen in a university?
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We wanted to joke but to underline an aspect that should not be underestimated (anyway, to deepen the topic more seriously, we can read Why is Kung Fu not used in MMA?).

6. Is Kung Fu effective in MMA competitions?

The answer is simple and it is the same for any other serious martial art (Karate, Wing Chun, Taekwondo, Jeet Kune Do, etc.):

Part of its technical baggage yes, part not
Part of its training methods yes, part not
Its core concepts surely yes
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A note by Master Kongling – In any combat, there is always someone who prevails and this does depend on how he / she fights, how he / she is prepared, not simply on what he / she has studied. Let’s take the example of medicine: the doctor who correctly treats his / her patients surely uses his / her knowledge but makes decisions through his / her own head (experience and logic), even the best medical book, in the wrong hands, is totally useless.

Final notes

A few conclusive thoughts:

The final point is that, at the highest level of martial arts, no one truly uses a preexisting combat method / system / style, they use their own, made of all the experiences of their lives (and it is precisely around this idea that 6 Dragons Kung Fu was designed, read 6 Dragons Kung Fu: the difference with other martial arts)
Do not trust the words of this article, do not trust those who spend their time discrediting what has a rational sense and a demonstrable value, do not take everything for good, get informed, study, experiment, do your tests (only then you will have your answers, read Is it legit?)
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In the next article of this series, we will deepen the difference between a combat sports competition and a real clash (read 5 differences between real fights & combat sports).

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